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Post by guest 2 on Jan 30, 2012 11:56:05 GMT -5
How is it that a wrestler can go into districts in a certain weight class having never wrestled a match in that weight class?? Oh but "I weighed in once at that weight" REALLY?? At least in other states you have to wrestle at least a match or two. Get up to speed VA.
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Post by 285HWT on Jan 30, 2012 13:02:54 GMT -5
Who are you implying did this?
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Post by Guest 2 on Jan 30, 2012 13:16:58 GMT -5
I'm not knocking any wrestler or coach. It's a rule in Va and if a wrestler wants to do this he can. There is no rules violation here. I'm just saying it's something that needs to be changed. Period. But it's being done and I won't single anyone out. Why would I single anyone out? If he can do it legally...why wouldn't he? Just sayin.
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Post by 285HWT on Jan 30, 2012 13:20:30 GMT -5
Then why are trolling?
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Post by Guest 2 on Jan 30, 2012 13:49:23 GMT -5
I guess I'm just venting. Sorry if I'm offending you. I just feel it's a rule that needs to be changed. If you worked your but off all year long. Maintaining your weight. Wrestling at that weight. And then someone comes along and has never wrestled a match at that weight and did it because he couldn't actually maintain that weight. However he could make the 2lb growth allowance when it comes time for districts and regionals and eventually the 3lb growth allowance at states. Just doesn't seem fair to the wrestlers that were there all year. Yet another way a wrestler can beat the system. Does anybody else feel this way? WVA and PA and I'm sure other states make you wrestle at least half of your matches at the weight class you wrestle at districts. I know I know...then go there. Right?
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Post by whoa whoa on Jan 30, 2012 14:30:46 GMT -5
You seem to have a few mis-conceptions.
1. There is only a 1lb growth allowance in January and 1lb in February. Been like that for a few years now. Not the real point, but just something to clarify.
2. A wrestler must make scratch weight at least once before they receive the growth allowance. You can not weight for the growth allowance to kick in then make the new weight class. You must make scratch first.
3. If you are wrestling in a higher weight class all season you still have to be within a couple of pounds of the lower weight class if you plan to drop down. Weights are closely monitored. It's not like you can be 145 one week then drop to 138. So if you plan to make a lower weight class eventually, you actually hurt your chances during the season b/c you will be wrestling underweight. Most likely the person to whom you are referring (and let's not kid ourselves, you do have a particular person in mind) is now just becoming eligible at that weight or wrestled up to help his team.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and not accuse you of being a bored troll. I'm guessing that you have a younger sibling or friend that is about to get a stud dropping down to his weight class.
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Post by Guest 2 on Jan 30, 2012 15:22:03 GMT -5
To whoa. No not trolling. Just curious as to what people think. But lets not kid ourselves...not every wrestler weighs in at every event. A wrestler can make scratch weight once and never wrestle a match again until districts. Where he gets a growth pound. And really...who monitors the weigh in sheets. Again...let me say this. I am NOT implying anything. The VA system is terrible. There are to many ways around the system.
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Post by whoa whoa on Jan 30, 2012 15:34:01 GMT -5
Guest 2,
You are actually implying quite a bit. However you are not directly accusing. You are right, coaches enter weight data. Also sometimes kids don't weigh in at an event if they are heavier than they should be. Don't forget though, these aren't just rules of a sport we are talking about. This is the health of students. If a wrestler were to suffer illness or injury due to weight loss and it was found out that the coach had fudged anything, then we are literally talking about a multi-million dollar lawsuit and that coach's career. As most coaches are teachers it would be his livelihood. Many have families and homes to think about. Please consider this before saying that someone would risk all that so a wrestler could lose a couple of extra pounds and place a little higher in a high school sport.
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Post by nwwrestler07 on Jan 30, 2012 15:56:03 GMT -5
I still say the hydration tests are stupid, inaccurate, kids cheat, theyre pointless. Several kids will be down this weekend. Not my business as to who I dont have horses in the races anymore. I think the whole system should be tossed. If a kid can make it he can make it but he should have to do it all year, or at least half. Anyone can say, go 132 then make 128 last second and they wouldnt have been cutting as much so it wouldnt be as hard.. but it is still just as bad for you.
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Post by Guest 2 on Jan 30, 2012 16:00:47 GMT -5
Whoa,
Please, no, I'm not implying anything but the rule is terrible. A rule is a rule. But in MY OPINION it is a terrible rule. If it's within the rules, and that my friend it is, then no harm, no foul. But you must be a coach and know exactly what I am saying. You have to agree that this is a possible scenario. And, in this scenario no rules violation has been broken. So, again, IN MY OPINION, it's a terrible rule. At least wrestle a couple of matches at the weight you wrestle in the district tournament.
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Post by wc126 on Jan 30, 2012 18:46:12 GMT -5
the worst part seems to be the seeding process gets messed up. But a kid can wrestle in several weight classes and many times it has tactical advantages in dual meets. As a result there are no real controlling parameters. I would rather wrestle in my weight class through district duals and establish myself, but that is just me. I don't like anything that disrupts the chemistry of the team though. Just me again.
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Post by Guest 2 on Jan 30, 2012 20:30:07 GMT -5
Thank you wc and nw. I thought it was just me. LOL! It's all a big show of smoke and mirrors. Lets have a regional site to do the hydration tests and not put it into the hands of each schools individual trainer. There are so many things that would/could make it better for the wrestler and the sport. Oh how about have random weigh ins? Have someone from VHSL show up randomly at a school after a prctice and have every kid step on the scale. Just a thought.
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Post by nwwrestler07 on Jan 30, 2012 20:56:53 GMT -5
I was with you until I saw random weigh ins. I do believe those rules can be broken from time to time. Kids may get a little blub coming off a holiday or getting sick. No point in ruining a postseason if that were the case. Im confident I know which weight class youre talking about and I know the kid you're thinking of looks terrible, but I mean we're already overprotective. A few bad decisions shouldnt ruin it for everyone. Cant even go out to wrestle when theres a chance of snow  |
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Post by Guest 2 on Jan 30, 2012 21:32:32 GMT -5
nw. a valid argument. I respectfully retract my last idea about random weigh ins. Thanks for your wisdom on that crappy idea. LOL. But my mind just goes there trying to fix a problem that i have no conrol over. How bout you? Any thoughts on a solution?
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Post by nwwrestler07 on Jan 30, 2012 21:58:00 GMT -5
I thought it was best off without it. Parents are key and should be responsible. Kids behavior and actions change if they are cutting too much. That way there is no cheating its just whatever. Good parenting = less problems. I've heard of cases where kids had to miss time because of miscalculations on weight and etc. The coaches and trainers already deal with enough. Daily weight makes it even more strenuous.
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Post by wc126 on Feb 4, 2012 16:56:59 GMT -5
I don't like the random weigh in. The fellas are under enough stress. But if you decide to commit to a weight class, you should have to wrestle at least one person in your district to qualify for the tourney. I would go further to say you have to weigh in without the growth points. Just me again.
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