Ruling on Crawford

[fuzzy]

I would like to know on what ruling the VHSL over turned crawfords eligibilty to wrestle. The rules are in place and should not be overturned for any athlete regardless of the situation.

[nwwrestler07]

Fuzzy, you are an idiot. Millbrook was winning the district with or without him so why do you care? 5 more pounds won't be too much to lose or gain, so running shouldn't be too hard.

[Fan]

He said no such thing as to elude that Crawford being on the team will make Millbrook district champs, he was simply wondering why/ how he got the ruling overturned. Make a good name for Millbrook, instead of further tarnishing it. Jumping to conclusions never got anyone anywhere.

[nwwrestler07]

Just tired of hearing about it. Why shouldn't he be allowed to wrestle? It seems as if both of you seem upset a 16 year old boy can live his dream. And I'm the one who looks bad?

[mikecarlson285]

With or without Crawford they still have a very strong team. So just leave it alone and let the kid wrestle! Would this conversation even be up here if he wasnt a 2x state champ? I dont think so, so leave it alone.

[86ocwrestler]

so, whats he going to wrestle, 140, 145 or 152 as it is on the r2 rankings?

[pffan]

Crawford was 140 at Beast of the East, placed 2nd.

[86ocwrestler]

I believe he'll win state at 140-152. When I saw him listed at 152 on here, I figured the coach may've thought the team would be stronger with him at 152. Since, the 140 and 145 are ranked in the top 10 already. I'm sure he's cutting 5 or so pounds to get to 140. If that's so, 152 won't be a problem.

[fuzzy]

Dec 18, 2010 21:17:42 GMT -5 nwwrestler07 said:

Fuzzy, you are an idiot. Millbrook was winning the district with or without him so why do you care? 5 more pounds won't be too much to lose or gain, so running shouldn't be too hard.

Thanks for that. This is coming from the Admin of this board. It has nothing to do about what you are tired of hearing. It has to do with the rules are in place to stop people moving around or schools recruiting kids to other schools. I simply stated that since he had moved he was listed ineligible and then VHSL over turned it. I am well aware that Millbrook has an outstanding team this year and reconize that they will win alot of tournaments and most likely will win districts and regions. And please in the future if you dont like or agree with someone's comments think about it before you get on here and type something and make people want to leave this board.

[guest]

I think your right that Millbrook will win districts, but i think your forgetting about Fauquier in the region. Millbrook is strong but lacks the depth to take Fauquier in the region.

[nwwrestler07]

The fact is fuzzy you signed up and immeadiately ask about why a kid is allowed to wrestle. Okay, he is a kid, and if a kid wants to wrestle he should be allowed to no matter when and where, it is a dumb rule. If anything, the parents should be penalized, maybe some type of charge or fee.. but these types of rules should not apply to kids.

[random guy]

I am not sure how I feel about the issue. I guess the rules are there for a good reason, to keep things even, sort of the same way colleges are "supposed" to follow certain rules.

I have 1st hand experiences watching one of the nations best programs (not a VA school) year after year get guys from all across the state and sometimes from out of state to show up at their gym after they had just graduated a state champ.

In fact one year they went up tot he Iron Man and the next year one of the studs was in their program.

Kinda tough to explain to other "kids" why their team is always taking a beating even though they all worked hard during the summer when the other team reloads not just with their own home grown talent but talent other schools groomed.

On the other hand, now that I am older...much older....I can see why a parent would want their child to participate in a program like this: great competition in the training room, access to national level events with the funding to go with it, exposures to colleges etc..

It is a slippery slope and on one hand is not fair on the other hand I cant blame the kid or the parent for this type of thinking.

This goes on with all sports too, there are several football teams in the area (not VA) that were under investigation because as soon as the graduate one stud QB, LB or RB another stud QB, LB or RB from another school suddenly shows up.

Fair? I dont know I see both sides of this issue, I guess we have to defer to the rules then since there are some in place.

If they are going to allow this type of thing under different disguises they should simply just allow any kid to go where ever they want. At the least maybe another school can snap up the "2nd best" kid at a weight and still be able to compete with the "1st best" team.

[nwwrestler07]

But, the arguement cannot be that for Crawford, transfering just to wrestle, from Robinson, to Millbrook. Why and how would that work? Robinsons schedule is tougher, their school puts more into their program financally, and theyre simply plain better than Millbrook at this point in time. So, to all the skeptics out there, think about it, whatever the reason, it's probably not for wrestling. So, when circumstances are not under his control, rules are meant to be broken. The End.

[random guy]

Dec 22, 2010 19:33:37 GMT -5 nwwrestler07 said:

But, the arguement cannot be that for Crawford, transfering just to wrestle, from Robinson, to Millbrook. Why and how would that work? Robinsons schedule is tougher, their school puts more into their program financally, and theyre simply plain better than Millbrook at this point in time. So, to all the skeptics out there, think about it, whatever the reason, it's probably not for wrestling. So, when circumstances are not under his control, rules are meant to be broken. The End.

That pretty much settles it then. there was no benefit for the kid to move and the fact that he did probably means that there was a need. Cant hold that against a kid.

[fadzaevs mustache]

Random Guy,

You're falling for a bait and switch. Nwwrestler07 argues that Crawford's transfer is legit because it was not motivated by athletic concerns. This seems plausible because Millbrook wrestling is inferior to Robinson wrestling in all the ways cited. As a result, Crawford would not be gaining any competitive advantage by making the move.

However, this isn't the transfer that Fuzzy is worried about. Fuzzy is worried about Crawford's transfer from James Wood to Millbrook. You see, Crawford didn't move from Robinson back into the Millbrook school district (I'm not sure if he ever lived inside Millbrook's boundaries). He moved from Robinson back to the James Wood school district. Then he transferred to Millbrook. Nwwrestler07 wrestler knows this but is playing dumb.

This completely undermines nwwrestler's argument. A wrestler transferring from James Wood to Millbrook ought to be suspected of attempting to gain a competitive advantage. I mean, which set of coaches are going to show up at jr. states?

In any event, I'm glad Crawford got the OK. If a program wants to keep guys like this around, the coaches better put in as much time as the kids. If they don't, they'll have no one but themselves to blame when their wrestlers take off.

[nwwrestler07]

All I can say is that you're right and that I agree with you on the bottom notion. But, the facts that you have posted I cannot reply to, but seeing as you know all of that, you know why anyways.

[nwwrestler07]

And honestly, if you all don't like it don't blame the VHSL, they did ban him. Blame your Judicial system, the one we all pay taxes for. And if you're under 18 and have to wrestle Crawford this year, then tell you parents to stop paying taxes.